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Friday, February 13, 2009


Two stories: First was the decision to reinstate 4 bishops, one which is a holocaust denier, of the Society St. Pius X, a break away group which opposed the reforms of Vatican II.

While there has been much outrage, appropriately so, from the Jewish community, with this reinstatement the rational given by Cardinal Kasper was that the Pope had wanted to bring them back into the fold to “reinforce the unity of the Church”. But there's another story.

The decision to fire a Catholic priest who opposed proposition 8, the ban on gay marriage in California. And the active efforts of the diocese to prevent this former priest from getting a job including threats to defund a non profit that had considered hiring him.

I admit. I haven't seen any indication that the Catholic Church has been interested reconciling liberals within the church. Schismatics are welcomed in, reformers are to be gone after in the church. That doesn't suggest "unity" but something else, which is disturbing.


At 12:32 AM , Anonymous Art said...

The direction the Catholic church is heading is both disheartening and disturbing. Thanks for making these "observations". It may be that when the current pope dies conditions will improve.

At 4:46 AM , Anonymous Tim said...

You're quite correct. The RCC as a whole is based on using religion for oppression and power; nothing much changes.

You can add in some nonsensical utterances about science, "laws of nature and how we must obey them"(!!) and an ecumenical policy that equates to "sure you can come back to the mother church", clueless meddling with the Internet to the pile.

A couple of evenings ago they showed the magdalene sisters on telly. Watch it, if you have not, for the interplay of bad logic, power abuse and religious myth.

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At 8:54 AM , Blogger orthodox said...

Catholic unity was never meant to be unity with everyone and everything. It's not a logical argument that because they choose to have unity with person X, there is a moral obligation to have unity with person Y.

At 8:50 PM , Blogger Dwight said...

Unity with holocaust deniers and not with folks who don't want to use the law to discriminate against gay and lesbians. At least the RCC is clear on where it's heart belongs.

At 5:15 AM , Blogger orthodox said...

Denying the holocaust is stupidity, but it isn't heresy. Catholic unity is a measure of the faith, not a measure of stupidity. You're allowed to be stupid and Catholic. You not allowed to be heretical and Catholic.

At 4:08 PM , Blogger Dwight said...

Though can a moral failing (which holocaust denial is) be taken to be of less importance than a doctrinal disagreement? In any case, my post suggests there is an ideology afoot and obviously as a protestant I'm not a fan of it.

At 8:47 AM , Blogger orthodox said...

I don't know that a false knowledge of history is a moral failing.

In any case, yes it is less important. The church is an organisation of people with moral failings yet holding particular doctrines.


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