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Sunday, April 01, 2007

Nature vs. Nurture

The quote I posted from Desmond Tutu created discussion concerning over whether homosexuality comes from the genes or our social environment. But there is no consensus with the relevant sciences.

It seems likely that it's a mixture, but however that gets worked out, few think it's a volitional choice. But that in itself wouldn't solve the debate about whether we're talking about moral behavior or not. All it can tell us is it's origins and that's about it.

And orientation does not indicate whether one has a moral relation or not. We have to examine particular relationships whether they build up love, mutuality, commitment, the development of moral possibilities among those in the relationship.

One can find examples in both orientations where this is the case. And we can find broken, destructive relationships in both orientations as well. The church's business is to build up the prior. And because we're not doing that we've lost moral authority on sexual matters. That's a shame and it needs to change.

6 Comments:

At 10:14 AM , Blogger Alexis TanĨibok said...

AMEN!!!!

 
At 12:32 PM , Blogger Thom Merklin said...

"For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator - who is forever praised. Amen.

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations of unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things, but also approve of those who practice them."

Paul's letter to the Romans, regarding the mentality of man in the "last days". (Romans 1:21-32)

I am not here to judge. I just wanted to refer anyone who questions homosexuality as acceptable, to the fact that it was prophesied to take place. All sin is sin.

Take heed, seek Jesus! His command for all believers is this: "Love your God with all of your heart, mind, and soul; and love your neighbor as you love yourself."

In Christ,

Thom Merklin
Tacoma, WA

 
At 6:25 PM , Blogger Larry Kamphausen said...

It is good to hear someone else make this distinction that getting at the origins and the science of it all doesn't answer the moral question.
I agree with the whole point you make here.
But I have to admit that the scriptures Thom Merklin points out, but not his argument really, don't go away. Which has me wondering if there is something beyond even the morality question. Are we both liberals and conservatives missing something here, missing something about sexuality?
Note I have done the study and argued both with people and in an article written for seminary that we can marginalize and reinterpret these texts, when we look at the issue you point out.
All the same thanks for the post.

 
At 3:45 PM , Anonymous DJ Black Adam said...

Fascinating Article.

 
At 7:10 AM , Blogger Bill Baar said...

...whether homosexuality comes from the genes or our social environment.

And what of our souls? What say have they between nature and nurture?

For a spiritual person, isn't the soul more important than genes or environment?

 
At 10:05 AM , Blogger Eli said...

In the scripture "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations of unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."

What is the sin? Is it homosexuality or is it lust and promiscuity? What is unnatural? Imagine you live in a world where the norm is men marry men and women marry women. What would you do when you met the love of your life? Would you ignore her/him and live in loneliness because of this verse? Would Jesus condemn the homosexual to "hell fire" because of his or her natural tendencies.

I prefer to err on the side of love and forgiveness. We are to love them and accept them and let God convict them if necessary, in my opinion.

 

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