A Religious Liberal Blog

This site hopefully can provide some vehicle by which I can comment, complain, and once in a while praise the state of religion in this country and around the world from a liberal protestant perspective.

Sunday, November 26, 2006

Good News

Some indications of why this election was so important. A general serving in Iraq says that Rumsfield signed off on "harsh interrogation techniques". And dems are "seeking information about detention of terrorism suspects, abuse of detainees and government secrecy"

Maybe a return to the rule of law and improving our human rights record is around the corner? And two examples of mainline inclusion in the news, the Pew Forum had an interview with someone from the religious left and religious right on the recent elections.

And Newsweek and the Washington Post has a series of articles from various religious thinkers and they actually included mainliners into the mix such as Martin Marty. I hope this indicates a shift to come where the religious monologue in this nation is ending.

The National Council of Churches are considering a social creed, with demands which could make a difference in the US and around the world, especially for the poor. Though the non creedalist in me cringes at the word, the ideas are worth exploring.

4 Comments:

At 11:04 AM , Blogger Bill Baar said...

Martin Marty has hardly come around...he's been there a long time...

Do you believe terrorists, who fight outside the bounds of the Geneva Convention, should be entitled to the Geneva Convention's rule that POWs should only give name, rank, and serial number? If we treat them in this respect as POWs, which they're not, that's all the need give.

Otherwise, if we can interrogated them, and coerce information from them, what are those boundaries?

I watched UU Minister McTigue on O'Reilly a while back and while she could condem torture she could not define it, or answer the question of what could or should be coerced.

And captured combatants are POWs, it's quite clearly a violation to bring them to trial. Only in the rare cases of trying someone for crimes against humanity is that allowed... and I have a hard time believing those are fair trials, and if Justice Stone and Douglas's reservations on Nuremburg as making mockeries of justice by dressing up lynchings a justice aren't in fact true... Saddam's trial certainly seems that way.

 
At 12:29 PM , Blogger Art said...

I like the idea of the social creed. We Methodists still have one. I hope your prediction of 'turning a corner' is correct but I'm not holding my breath just yet...

 
At 9:48 AM , Blogger The Cubicle Reverend said...

Being the political skeptic that i am i have never put too much faith in any politiciian.

 
At 10:03 PM , Blogger Dwight said...

Marty's been around for a while but he doesn't get the coverage that the religious right leaders get when the mainstream media covers religion and that's the key.

Some good standards for what is torture is from the Geneva Convention or even the US Army Manuel. If the US government is uncertain about their practice, we could invite Amnesty over to evaluate our practices in these places (say like our eastern European prisons, etc).

 

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