A Religious Liberal Blog

This site hopefully can provide some vehicle by which I can comment, complain, and once in a while praise the state of religion in this country and around the world from a liberal protestant perspective.

Tuesday, January 03, 2006

The god or not carnival has been posted. Their site took my angel post and linked it up with a discussion of consciousness, which I was not really touching upon. I wrote of angels and demons as pointing to our experiences of resistance and responsiveness.

Some sites worth checking out. Rep. John Conyers has a new book out on the abuses of this administration against the constitution and he's got a blog which focuses on these issues. In light of such issues there has been a move by some to push for censuring or impeachment.

There's going to be a conference on religious voices against torture at Princeton. And there will be a lecture discussion on the possibilities of a progressive Christian voice being heard in today's climate at the Pacific School of Religion in Berkeley.


At 12:38 PM , Blogger Van said...

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At 3:17 PM , Blogger Bill Baar said...

so, is it impossible to be a fervent supporter of Bush and his policies?

to believe abortion might indeed be murder? and overturning Roe v Wade not such a bad idea.

And still be a religious liberal?

I think so, but reading this most makes me think you believe otherwise.

The Christian Century took what I thought a pretty callous position on the calculus for war with Iran. They said we must consider the interests of the American People. They said nothing of anyone elses interests. Most importantly those of the non Christian Jews again facing the prospect of mass extermination from a nuclear Iran speaking plainly of the intention to anniliate Isreal.

The Christian Century took a stand once before saying war with Hitler not in America's interest.

How can this be Politically Liberal, or Christian?

If that's the case, then I really want nothing to do with Political Liberalism or Christ.

I think not.

But I wonder.

At 3:57 PM , Blogger Dwight said...

Iran doesn't offer any easy solutions but I do think the hardline taken against the country when they had a relatively liberal government played no small role in electing a hard line government to take it's place.

There's a principle in a number of religious texts that's hard for those with power, mainly us, to identify with: That the mere excercise of force can weaken us, that using it does not necessarily entail the ends we seek.

I think people of good conscience can disagree on any number of points, abortion certainly being one of them. But the policies that endorse torture or suggest that the president is not bound by the rule of law is something that I think strike not just as religous liberal values but the values necessary for a democratic state.

Those aren't partisan issues and I'm thankful that some conservative authors such as Andrew Sullivan and Tucker Carlson agree. Those kind of issues are the ones which help define us and our moral possibilities as a people.

At 6:31 PM , Blogger Bill Baar said...

But isn't all this talk about the sanctity of the constitution I'm seeing among professed religious Liberals really sort of a ruse to avoid talking about abortion and still vote against Alito?

The Unitarian Universalist Association came out against him on this kinds of grounds.

Frankly, it just seems a wee bit dishonest.

Instead of talk about abortion and how a religous liberal, or anyone else for that matter, should deal with it... we get this sanctity of the constitution mumbo jumbo.

And the inspirational piece in our history is really the declaration of independence... the constitution a badly flawed piece of work it took a war to remedy.

At 7:12 PM , Blogger Dwight said...

I think there's two levels of the discussion in some ways

-is everyone welcome to the table regardless...yes
-are we going to hear things we disagree with in church..most likely

I'm not keen on a church service which is just a political rally for either side. But I also think that even if we're attentive to that, views will be expressed concerning the issues of the day.

And in that sense this blog is reflective of this. I believe people across the spectrum ought to be welcome at the church. I also endorsed Kerry on my blog.

We can only speak from where we're at and hope that people of good faith can converse on these things together.

In the end when one reflects on one's membership in a body, when one tries to work through how people arive at the place they are at, the questions of values comes into focus.

If those values are such that we identify them in others even if they come to different conclusions about this or that issue, the connections to the faith community remains strong. If one can't identify with the values of others in the community those links weaken.


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