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Tuesday, June 14, 2005


The head of the NY Christian Coalition, notes that we have warning labels for cigs while being gay is far more dangerous. Does he propose warning labels on gay and lesbians, an idea which has been done before? No, he says but the practical result of the right's policies end up accomplishing much of the same affect. For instance in Georgia, the head education commissioner wanted to mandate students telling their parents if they join a glbt student group.

Thankfully the state board of education killed that plan. As Republic of T writes "The possibility of starting a support group at school could be a ray of hope for a lot of them, but if they have to come out to their parents in order to do it, most won’t because they’d face being kicked out of their homes, forced into therapy, or worse. They’ll remain isolated, and many will suffer for it." Such a result could then serve as ammo on why being gay is dangerous. But it is bigotry which is the danger that gay and lesbians face.

The Southern Baptists are considering a resolution which would have parents to investigate whether their schools have gay and lesbian student groups, and if so petition to have such groups banned or take their children out of the school system. The way bigotry works is sustained is isolation from whoever the other is, to which is directed. Because if there was actual contact, maybe even getting to know the other the basis of the bigotry begins to collapse.

Oklahoma passed a resolution limiting books to minors which have gay themes. Alabama is considering legislation which insures the state never spends money on anything which validates the "homosexual lifestyle" including library books, and restricting courses at the university which could touch on the subject. And the Texas governor after signing a gay marriage ban in an evangelical church told gay and lesbians that if they did not like the legislation they should consider leaving the state.

And of course when companies, like Ford,have a history of supporting gay and lesbian equality, including in their own workplace they become the target of large boycott campaigns. The Yukon Anglican church will forbid the employment of folks if they support gay and lesbian inclusion in the church. In just about every area of public life gay and lesbians are attacked from education to the church to their jobs...what is the end goal but the removal of gay and lesbians from the public life of this country?

6 Comments:

At 2:25 PM , Blogger Circuitloss said...

Good post. You're totally right. Hatred cannot be maintained in the face of familiarity, as these bigots doubtlessly sense. The best thing that could happen for the gay movement is inclusion in popular culture (see Queer Eye and the like for the first few halting steps) the worst thing that could happen is isolation and exclusion.
Christians should be reaching out to these people, not pushing them away.

 
At 3:00 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Anglican diocese of the Arctic has given notice that it will not employ the following: anyone having pre-marital sex, homosexuals, lesbians and bisexuals, those who willingly engage in sexual activities with a minor and with those whom they are counseling or supervising (excluding spouse), and those who fail to disclose a prior conviction on child sexual abuse.
Anyone who "supports and promotes such behavior, lifestyle or teaching" is likewise not eligible for employment, according to the diocesan synod, which voted on the issue during a meeting in Iqaluit May 25 to June 2.

 
At 3:01 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"We are a religious organization that has a moral code that we abide by," said Larry Robertson, suffragan bishop of Mackenzie and Kitikmeot, explaining the synod's decision to amend its canon on the order and eligibility for licensing (Canon 18) by setting the same conditions for clergy and lay employees. "We don't condemn others but this is what we believe and how we behave according to God's word. There was concern that people who represent the church abide by the lifestyle expected of them."

There is absolutely no bigotry in this statement. It is the moral high ground and it is directed at all sexual immorality!

 
At 6:09 PM , Blogger Dwight said...

Anon
Certainly as a religious organization groups should be able to hire/fire as they choose, at least in the form of a legal right. But that doesn't make a policy a good one, one which is worthy of admiration.

I've yet to find a compelling moral reason which prohibits loving, committed, mutual same sex relationships...lots of appeal to history and tradition, which is itself as questionable a source for moral authority as those who talk about being hip with the times.

If you were to sit down and make a list of what constitutes the best in human relationships, what is the ideal and why do we hold this, what is it that good families do, I've never seen a reason or basis by which gay and lesbian relations should a priori be excluded.

 
At 8:01 AM , Blogger greg said...

anon says "There is absolutely no bigotry in this statement..."

It seems to me that there almost nothing but bigotry in that statement. For starters, the good bishop seems awefully certain that he knows what God wants and what God doesn't want. And not just in a general sense (love you neighbor, etc.), but in a whole lot of very specific senses as well. Not only does the good bishop think that he knows a lot about God, he thinks that he has been appointed by God to be an arbiter of access to God. Never mind that God is active in all times and all places, so that the notion of controlling access to God is on its face ridiculous.

So let's give the good bishop the benefit of the doubt. Let us assume that he is not trying to control access to God (surely he realizes that he can't). Then he must be trying to control who has access to himself. He is trying to enclose himself in a circle of like-minded people, demanding that in order to be worthy of interacting with himself, others must meet certain doctrinal criteria. Isn't this practically the definition of bigotry? What could possibly be further from Christ? The essence of Christ's good news was that we are all creatures of God, and that God loves every one of us. Jesus went out of his way, time and time again, to reach out to those whom society deemed unacceptable.

You can argue that your superior knowledge of God gives you the right to be a bigot, because God is also a bigot, but you can't say that bigotry isn't bigotry just because you think that it's what God wants. One definition of bigotry is "A person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own." The good bishop's statement fits this definition perfectly.

 
At 11:34 AM , Blogger Howie Luvzus said...

Dwight,
Great Post!
I'm doing my part to "help" Southern Baptists.:) If you would like to purchase an "official" badge please stop in: http://howieluvzus.blogspot.com/2005/06/official-badges-for-keeping-tabs-on.html

 

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